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Bill Ayers in his own words

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Feb. 23rd, 2009 | 11:30 pm

None of this is a surprise, of course, but I haven't heard Ayers so directly state his views in the past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2et7f84vH2M

Ayers equivocates his planting bombs with elected officials' prosecution of the war in Vietnam. He's so self-important that he challenges the interviewer, Alan Combes, to get a panel together including Ayers, Kissinger, etc. as if he would merit admission to the audience of such a panel. That this man is taken seriously in today's culture (let alone by the President of the United States) is a hideous indictment of that culture.

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shannon_f_r

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from: shannon_f_r
date: Feb. 24th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
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Well, Kissinger's pretty evil, too, so they'd probably do a good panel on...evil.

As for Obama and Ayers, they were just on some dumb education committee together--an association that the self-aggrandizing Ayers himself called trivial. Get over it.

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jordanzimmerman

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from: jordanzimmerman
date: Feb. 24th, 2009 07:58 am (UTC)
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>Well, Kissinger's pretty evil, too, so they'd
>probably do a good panel on...evil.
Kissinger is not a domestic terrorist. He was a part of a legally elected administration that conducted a morally justifiable war.

>As for Obama and Ayers, they were just
>on some dumb education committee together
The association is much more than that.
* Obama started his political career at Ayers' house
* That dumb education committee was a noxious organization called "Chicago School Reform Collaborative" dedicated to Ayers' ideas
* The NYT reported that Obama read and gave positive comments about Ayers' book "A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court"
* Obama and Ayers served together on the board of the Wood's Fund

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shannon_f_r

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from: shannon_f_r
date: Feb. 24th, 2009 04:58 pm (UTC)
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I'm not going to argue about Kissinger, because your definition of morally justifiable and mine are too far apart.

With Ayers, I repeat: your argument is self-refuting. You yourself call Ayers self-aggrandizing, with good reason. If he deems his relationship to the president of the United States trivial, he's either a) not self-aggrandizing; or b) the relationship is really trivial indeed.

I'm also missing the part where any of that committee work you describe has anything to do with the Weather Underground. It's perfectly possible for people to have more than one shtick in life.

More broadly speaking, there's plenty to criticize Obama for (not using his political capital to stop the end of the financial world, for instance) without resorting to these kind of weird yesterday's news syllogisms (Obama knows Ayers, Ayers is bad, therefore Obama is bad). But this is why the Republican party is in the jake: instead of seizing on a great opportunity to be the party of fiscal sense, they're all like "Terrist! Terrist!"

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jordanzimmerman

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from: jordanzimmerman
date: Feb. 24th, 2009 09:22 pm (UTC)
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I didn't make the assertions you refute above.

Ayers is a very bad person. Substitute Nazi and then think about your reaction to Obama associating with him.

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john_j_enright

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from: john_j_enright
date: Feb. 25th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)
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Even on the Left, the gossip in Chicago is that Ayers is a legend in his own mind.

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